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« on: December 12, 2010, 04:37:24 PM »

Hey guys, i thought i would throw this up on here to see what you think.

Having just sold my modern bike, a 2006 YZ250f im looking for a road/trail type bike.
With my father, ive got enough retro/vintage MX bikes to keep me happy off road.

But im looking for something to go trail riding on.
A few mates have bought stupid expencive brand spankers crf450x's, wr450fs etc etc but i am not going down that route.
Im looking for something retro cool but to not get left for dead by the modern bikes.

I dont mind a project, or a bitsa or a complete bike.

Road registerable.
It has to be 2 stroke.
Would really like a disc front end, or at least to be able to fit a disc front end off something.
250cc minimumm.
It needs to be fast, and have good suspension or be able to fit good suspension

Im thinking along the lines of the last 2 stroke wr250s ( up untill 1998 i think?)
Possibly a wr500, depending how cheap i can get one.
A ktm 380 would be nice, ive ridden one and loved it.
And then there is the ttr 250/350 with a big bore air cooled engine conversion.

What would you guys buy/build as a modern beating retro trail bike?

Steve
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 04:45:26 PM »

add it 250/490 to that aswell.
The only thing is ive never ridden either of those so dont know what they are like.

Dad has a it400d, and if anything like that cross it off the list! its like riding a boat.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 10:02:34 PM »

what about a WMW cr range, in the late 80s thru to mid 90s woodys MC wyong built adr compliance Honda CR 125 250 & 500, they do come up from time to time  but basically a MX bike road registered, they are a hoot, cheers middo Grin
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 12:11:54 AM »

The WR500s weren't registerable - although a fair number of of old IT490s got big make-overs around the time the WR500s were released....  Wink

Really, with a good rider, any of the long travel bikes (say, 1980 or newer) can keep up with most trail rides. But for most of us, double discs and water cooling will make life easier.
Stuff like the linkage-rear IT250/490 feel VERY old when you're riding them - they steer like boats and are top heavy. At the start of the day, you will be able to annoy the hell out of everyone (by keeping up with their new bikes), but at the end you'll be working a lot harder.

As a rule, 500cc 2-strokes are over-priced. Oh, they're fun to belt around on, no doubt about that - but living with one all day in the bush is a pain. They stopped making them for a reason! CRE500s in particular, are worth silly money (if you can find one) - sure they're a cool bike, but for $11k for a reasonable used example, you may as well buy a new TM300 or something.

The Husky WR360 is a good thing, although the old ones (early~mid 90s) seem to be worth just as much a the last of them (early 00s)... I reckon the early ones are over-priced and the late ones are a bit of a bargain. Ditto WR250s in the same age-range.

The last of the RMX250s is a hugely under-rated bike, and $3k ought to get you a really good example. With not too much work, you can turn one into a registerable 96(?) RM250 - and blow most 450Fs away...

The rego-able Yammie WR250s are hard to find, and usually over-priced (compared to the RMX anyhow). Its rare to see one for under $3k, even average old examples...
The '04 YZ250WR is a cracker of a bike, but are holding their value very well. Again, I think they're over-priced.

The CRM250 is too soft-core and always seem to sell for silly money anyhow.

Any of the perimeter framed TM250/300s will give you a ton of bang for your buck, and are usually maintained properly (making them less of a lucky-dip when buying an older example). The 250 in particular, can be pretty brutal, but nothing too crazy and there are ways too tone them down without turning them into an XR250...

The early~mid 90s KTMS are also hugely under-rated (before they went to the current dark orange). Everyone I know who's owned a 96/97 KTM250/300/360 has raved about them, and even good ones sell for ~$2k when they come up.

The water cooled KDX250 is a big fat pig of a bike, but can be made to go well if you chuck enough aftermarket parts at them.

TS250 is too soft core + old.

If it was my money, I'd be looking for an RMX or KTM, while keeping my eyes open for a Husky or a Yamaha WR250. There's also been a few complianced-plated late-80s YZ250s floating around lately - if you could get one for the right price, they could be a good option too (ditto the WMWs are Middo mentioned).


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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2011, 11:50:32 PM »

RMX for sure. Husky ? Don't know what they are like. Couldn't be too bad. I have a yz/wr. Basically and adr'd yz.
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 10:07:17 PM »

Forget the TT 350, they were a slower than the original KLX.
As far as I know they didn’t change much from 88.

Late model WR250 2 stroke would be the best and simplest option

2000 model KTM 300 I found too aggressive in the power delivery
Rode an 06 model which was as sweet as, don’t know about the models inbetween them
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 06:28:18 PM »

CRM250 with decent suspension, a CR250 cylinder(the case reed) and a Ignitech or Zeeltronic ignition is awesome. Should get you to the tun on the road and just watch everyone face when you grab 6th cog.
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